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		<title>By: hopkinshughes</title>
		<link>http://politicworm.com/oxford-shakespeare/the-argument/#comment-6308</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oxford&#039;s surviving letters are all to his in-laws, who were intensely antagonistic to his literary activities, so of course they don&#039;t mention literature!  Would you write to your in-laws on a subject that you knew they loathed and were doing their best to prevent you from doing?  

Renaissance courtiers were all poets to some degree.  An original poem beautifully copied was the favored response to any situation, forerunners of our modern greeting cards.  It was publishing that was disdained.  Until Oxford, Bacon and Mary Sidney (who all published under pseudonyms), Court poets wrote only for internal consumption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxford&#8217;s surviving letters are all to his in-laws, who were intensely antagonistic to his literary activities, so of course they don&#8217;t mention literature!  Would you write to your in-laws on a subject that you knew they loathed and were doing their best to prevent you from doing?  </p>
<p>Renaissance courtiers were all poets to some degree.  An original poem beautifully copied was the favored response to any situation, forerunners of our modern greeting cards.  It was publishing that was disdained.  Until Oxford, Bacon and Mary Sidney (who all published under pseudonyms), Court poets wrote only for internal consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
		<link>http://politicworm.com/oxford-shakespeare/the-argument/#comment-6302</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all I am heavily interested in Shakespeare #3, which leads me to the authorship question, so far the arguments are not convincing me, I must be missing someething, here are a few remarks of mine on this part of your website.

Argument from silence:
&quot;As for writing, we find no letters from him to anyone on any subject much less literature&quot; 
You are aware that the surviving letters of Oxford have NO reference to literature.
If you discredit Will from Stratford based on the lack of letters so ceratinly none on literature, you SHOULD discredit Oxford even more because there are over 60 letters by him and NONE of them deal with literature...

And theater may have been &#039;not  done&#039; for courtiers, but poems surely since Elizabeth herself wrote and enjoyed them would not object... the style of writing of the poems and the plays is too similar to attribute them to different writers...
I wonder...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I am heavily interested in Shakespeare #3, which leads me to the authorship question, so far the arguments are not convincing me, I must be missing someething, here are a few remarks of mine on this part of your website.</p>
<p>Argument from silence:<br />
&#8220;As for writing, we find no letters from him to anyone on any subject much less literature&#8221;<br />
You are aware that the surviving letters of Oxford have NO reference to literature.<br />
If you discredit Will from Stratford based on the lack of letters so ceratinly none on literature, you SHOULD discredit Oxford even more because there are over 60 letters by him and NONE of them deal with literature&#8230;</p>
<p>And theater may have been &#8216;not  done&#8217; for courtiers, but poems surely since Elizabeth herself wrote and enjoyed them would not object&#8230; the style of writing of the poems and the plays is too similar to attribute them to different writers&#8230;<br />
I wonder&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hopkinshughes</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pun names were one of the ways that writers hiding their identities could let insiders know that the writer was wearing a mask.  Not all readers are attuned to puns.  I grew up with them, so to me a pun sticks out like a sore thumb, but that&#039;s not at all the case with the vast majority who don&#039;t hear them and when they&#039;re explained, don&#039;t get the joke.  

Puns can take many forms, some are really stupid while others can be dazzlingly complex and meaningful.  Like poems written to a particular beat with alliteration and rhymes, they are a form of wordcraft, so most writers and all poets are sensitive to them.  Sometimes, when they occur naturally, they have to be avoided, because a pun almost always functions as a saboteur, throwing a wrench into a smooth running discourse, which is not always desirable.  The penchant for pun names for characters in English plays and novels is obvious.  

By using a pen name a writer can be seen as turning his (or her) authorship into a semi-fictional character, though which they can assume a particular authorial identity, different from the one they would show if writing under their real names.  This is even more true of pun names, since a pun signifies &lt;em&gt;ludi&lt;/em&gt;, Latin for jokes or games (as in &lt;em&gt;ludicrous&lt;/em&gt;).  It says, don&#039;t take me too seriously; we&#039;re here to have fun.

The theory that Oxford chose William of Stratford because of the punnable qualities inherent in his name (that is, if spelled so it could be pronounced Shake-spear) is largely based on the theory that he was also the power behind the Robert Greene persona.  Robert Greene had &quot;died&quot; in September of 1592, so by April of 1593, when Oxford was anxious to get&lt;em&gt; Venus and Adonis&lt;/em&gt; in the bookstalls, he was still without a pen name.  Robert Greene was a very ordinary name, but it did convey an allusion to the Green Man, a folk character closely related to holiday &lt;a href=&quot;http://politicworm.com/background/birth-of-the-london-stage/the-stage-vs-the-critics-the-devil-and-the-queen/mumming-and-disguising/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mumming and disguising&lt;/a&gt;, while the word &lt;em&gt;green&lt;/em&gt; in French was/is &lt;em&gt;vere&lt;/em&gt;.  It was important the the name not be too obviously a pun, so &lt;em&gt;Shakespeare&lt;/em&gt; was ideal.  

Though not an ordinary name, Shakespeare was common enough that its punning nature would not be obvious.  And that the first name was William was an added plus, since that allowed a more complex reading: &lt;em&gt;Will shake spear&lt;/em&gt;.  The fact that William was illiterate (and so could not make an attempt to pass his own awful verse off under the same name); that his hometown was so far from London (two days ride by horse, requiring a stopover in Oxford); and that his family was obviously dependent on what stipend the Lord Chamberlain&#039;s Men gave him, were all just so much gravy.

In 1595, the problem for Oxford and his patrons was less to confront questions about his authorship than to see to it that such questions didn&#039;t spread.  The real William Shakespeare was an unknown in London.  When he was there he was just another face in the crowd, and as the record suggests, he wasn&#039;t there very often or for very long.  Nevertheless, should someone go looking for him, they could find him if they didn&#039;t mind the long trip to Stratford.  And William himself, as John Aubrey&#039;s anecdote suggests, was well aware that he had to be prepared to turn aside any challenge to show his writing skills, so it&#039;s clear that somebody, more than one perhaps, did seek him out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pun names were one of the ways that writers hiding their identities could let insiders know that the writer was wearing a mask.  Not all readers are attuned to puns.  I grew up with them, so to me a pun sticks out like a sore thumb, but that&#8217;s not at all the case with the vast majority who don&#8217;t hear them and when they&#8217;re explained, don&#8217;t get the joke.  </p>
<p>Puns can take many forms, some are really stupid while others can be dazzlingly complex and meaningful.  Like poems written to a particular beat with alliteration and rhymes, they are a form of wordcraft, so most writers and all poets are sensitive to them.  Sometimes, when they occur naturally, they have to be avoided, because a pun almost always functions as a saboteur, throwing a wrench into a smooth running discourse, which is not always desirable.  The penchant for pun names for characters in English plays and novels is obvious.  </p>
<p>By using a pen name a writer can be seen as turning his (or her) authorship into a semi-fictional character, though which they can assume a particular authorial identity, different from the one they would show if writing under their real names.  This is even more true of pun names, since a pun signifies <em>ludi</em>, Latin for jokes or games (as in <em>ludicrous</em>).  It says, don&#8217;t take me too seriously; we&#8217;re here to have fun.</p>
<p>The theory that Oxford chose William of Stratford because of the punnable qualities inherent in his name (that is, if spelled so it could be pronounced Shake-spear) is largely based on the theory that he was also the power behind the Robert Greene persona.  Robert Greene had &#8220;died&#8221; in September of 1592, so by April of 1593, when Oxford was anxious to get<em> Venus and Adonis</em> in the bookstalls, he was still without a pen name.  Robert Greene was a very ordinary name, but it did convey an allusion to the Green Man, a folk character closely related to holiday <a href="http://politicworm.com/background/birth-of-the-london-stage/the-stage-vs-the-critics-the-devil-and-the-queen/mumming-and-disguising/" rel="nofollow">mumming and disguising</a>, while the word <em>green</em> in French was/is <em>vere</em>.  It was important the the name not be too obviously a pun, so <em>Shakespeare</em> was ideal.  </p>
<p>Though not an ordinary name, Shakespeare was common enough that its punning nature would not be obvious.  And that the first name was William was an added plus, since that allowed a more complex reading: <em>Will shake spear</em>.  The fact that William was illiterate (and so could not make an attempt to pass his own awful verse off under the same name); that his hometown was so far from London (two days ride by horse, requiring a stopover in Oxford); and that his family was obviously dependent on what stipend the Lord Chamberlain&#8217;s Men gave him, were all just so much gravy.</p>
<p>In 1595, the problem for Oxford and his patrons was less to confront questions about his authorship than to see to it that such questions didn&#8217;t spread.  The real William Shakespeare was an unknown in London.  When he was there he was just another face in the crowd, and as the record suggests, he wasn&#8217;t there very often or for very long.  Nevertheless, should someone go looking for him, they could find him if they didn&#8217;t mind the long trip to Stratford.  And William himself, as John Aubrey&#8217;s anecdote suggests, was well aware that he had to be prepared to turn aside any challenge to show his writing skills, so it&#8217;s clear that somebody, more than one perhaps, did seek him out.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Schumann</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Hughes. I was just wondering what exactly does it mean that he chose William of Stratford to represent the authorship of the plays because he had a punnable name? 

Would it not have been obvious to almost everyone in the know that a man like William of Stratford who had little or no education could not possibly have written those plays?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Hughes. I was just wondering what exactly does it mean that he chose William of Stratford to represent the authorship of the plays because he had a punnable name? </p>
<p>Would it not have been obvious to almost everyone in the know that a man like William of Stratford who had little or no education could not possibly have written those plays?</p>
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		<title>By: hopkinshughes</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks again, Igor.  It&#039;s not my words, but the Authorship Question that requires attention, and by native speakers as well as others.  I really appreciate the effort.  It&#039;s a great story.  Thanks to Jeff too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again, Igor.  It&#8217;s not my words, but the Authorship Question that requires attention, and by native speakers as well as others.  I really appreciate the effort.  It&#8217;s a great story.  Thanks to Jeff too.</p>
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		<title>By: igal77</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Stephanie, your blog - it&#039;s not just a collection of articles by the competent person in the field of Shakespeare, this is the essay of scholar, one of the leading scientists in this field as in England, and in the world. Your book (blog), so circumstances, are so deep, that but words of admiration are no other comments are not born. 
Yes, there&#039;s something else, reading your blog requires a lot of attention and concentration; for those for whom English is not their native language. 
Your Igor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Stephanie, your blog &#8211; it&#8217;s not just a collection of articles by the competent person in the field of Shakespeare, this is the essay of scholar, one of the leading scientists in this field as in England, and in the world. Your book (blog), so circumstances, are so deep, that but words of admiration are no other comments are not born.<br />
Yes, there&#8217;s something else, reading your blog requires a lot of attention and concentration; for those for whom English is not their native language.<br />
Your Igor.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 21:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Stephanie,

Y0u reviewed my webquest and marveled that it be taught at the secondary ed level, so I thought I should let you know that it&#039;s not.  It was  an assignment for an EDTECH teaching class.  I, too, am a longtime Oxfordian.  12 years.  I have written one movie THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD, which I&#039;m trying to sell and I&#039;m writing a book.  I think you&#039;ll like my title.  AS YOU DON&#039;T LIKE IT.
In it, I decode the debate, using the play As You Like It.    
 
Love your site, keep trucking.

jeff rowe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephanie,</p>
<p>Y0u reviewed my webquest and marveled that it be taught at the secondary ed level, so I thought I should let you know that it&#8217;s not.  It was  an assignment for an EDTECH teaching class.  I, too, am a longtime Oxfordian.  12 years.  I have written one movie THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD, which I&#8217;m trying to sell and I&#8217;m writing a book.  I think you&#8217;ll like my title.  AS YOU DON&#8217;T LIKE IT.<br />
In it, I decode the debate, using the play As You Like It.    </p>
<p>Love your site, keep trucking.</p>
<p>jeff rowe</p>
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		<title>By: hopkinshughes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks, Igor.  I heartily agree.  : &gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, Igor.  I heartily agree.  : &gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: igal77</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Stephania, I have read your article: &#039;The Authorship argument&#039;, with it all it references. Excellently! From all, what have happened to read me in the the subject, I never met so competent, deep the article. So much the facts new to me!  After acquaintance of material, it seems to me that &#039;Shakespeare Authorship Problem&#039;  it is not so much a problem. It is so many facts speak well Edward de Vere, that only people insufficiently competent of this question can name as possible author the names of other people, less of all on Shakespeare can be apply.  Incomparable analysis interweaving factual life of Edward de Vere with the parts of &lt;em&gt;Hamlet&lt;/em&gt;, concerning Polonius, Hamlet, Ophelia.  Thank you, 
                     Yours, Igor]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Stephania, I have read your article: &#8216;The Authorship argument&#8217;, with it all it references. Excellently! From all, what have happened to read me in the the subject, I never met so competent, deep the article. So much the facts new to me!  After acquaintance of material, it seems to me that &#8216;Shakespeare Authorship Problem&#8217;  it is not so much a problem. It is so many facts speak well Edward de Vere, that only people insufficiently competent of this question can name as possible author the names of other people, less of all on Shakespeare can be apply.  Incomparable analysis interweaving factual life of Edward de Vere with the parts of <em>Hamlet</em>, concerning Polonius, Hamlet, Ophelia.  Thank you,<br />
                     Yours, Igor</p>
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